I would pay good money for the following question to be asked publicly.
Do you believe that the Australian government and by extension this RC is ultimately controlled by Satan?
hello again.. splash had a pile of scriptural evidence which he uploaded and it was good material.
it established the gb as the fds and used watchtower study articles.........i don't know if he was the only one but the material flew in the face of what those men have been saying.
it proves, using their own material how they indeed think they are the ones with the direct control over millions of lives, because as you know.........they are the direct hot line to god.
I would pay good money for the following question to be asked publicly.
Do you believe that the Australian government and by extension this RC is ultimately controlled by Satan?
if you have heard g. jackson speak you can tell that he is smooth.
he is a good speaker with a commanding voice.
i think the gb knew this was going to happen and prepped him to testify.
Interesting thought, but he is not a ringer. One of the better speakers in the organization for sure, but not a ringer.
I think he will absolutely not appear by "invitation". Only if there is legal action forcing him to appear and rendering his passport useless until he does, will he show up. It certainly just isn't going to happen. I'm sure there will be some crazy conflagration with some moment Jesus said screw you to the Sanhedrin or something.
shout out to jwfacts.. just saw the drum.
excellent job !
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I have been dumped by all sorts.....and I am not in trouble, not overtly vocal, and simply do not attend meetings for what I describe vaguely and on purpose as "reasons of conscience".
They shun even when they don't have to. its their fall back position. And to top it off.....they tell you how hard it is for them to do it!!!
my wife and i planned on fading but the elders now want a shepherding call and we are just done.
i know that many play the game to try to stay in, but i'm not a game player and neither is my wife.
our families already shun us because we reached out to a disfellowshipped family member.
Make no mistake, Disassociating is the NUCLEAR option. It isn't just closing the door, it is barricading it and nailing it shut. Now as a fader, I can see the appeal. Kind of a ripping off of the band-aid. I loose people it seems every once in a while. Some close, most not really. It just kind of stings each time. Nobody wants to live in fear.
But I still don't want to DA. Not because its a play by their rules scenario, but because why should I do them the favor of cutting off my influence on people around me? This is played out more and more often, when I am able to share a little thought, mention the RC in Australia, ask about a particular teaching......just little things. I know these things may or may not make an impact. However, they cannot "un"know what I mention. So it means something to me to be able to do that.
I haven't been to a meeting for two years, and this year I did not attend memorial. There has been a new hall structuring in my area, and cards have been moved around. I had an elder I know call me just last week. Said he wanted to come by and say hello yadda yadda. I spoke plainly and kindly. Asked him what the nature of the visit was. Once he said something about encouragement etc..., I simply told him that I wasn't interested in any encouragement but i appreciated his call. He asked me if I was attending meetings anywhere, I once again asked him what the purpose of these questions was. Doing this makes them uncomfortable. See I spoke to them like a telemarketer. Do you hide from telemarketers? I don't. They have a crap job, and probably aren't terrible people. I simply tell them I'm not interested in what they are selling and wish them a pleasent day. If they are persistent, I just very plainly communicate.
You have no need to fear these guys. No need to be sick. Take the call. Let them know you'll contact them if you could use their help. No thanks on the "call". thats it. Very simple. Have your conversations with your family on your terms. Not in a barrage of letters.
Or don't. Rid yourself of all of it and start over. I get that too.
there's been quite a number newspaper articles quoted over the past week, but i would recommend this as a good summary of the first three days of the royal commission hearing in australia - complete with some scathing commentary.. apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but have not seen this posted previously.. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/08/01/royal-commission-examines-jehovah-witnesses-cover/14383512002194.
just one thing that is not quite right is that the article refers to joe bello as a narrogin elder.
the assualts took place while the victim was part of the narrogin congregation.
They were uniformly ineloquent and unhelpful.
Yeah.....pretty much sums it all up!
As I read in the man from Washingtons story regarding his departure.....I used to think the religion I belonged to was expansive, knowledgeable, and encompassing of all people. I continually am reminded of my naivety as I see a petty and small minded religion trapped in a bygone era refusing to even consider the possibility of reform, or acknowledge that word is a good thing.
https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-cover-up-child-sex-abuse-and-oust-a-victim/.
jehovahs witnesses cover up child sex abuse and oust a victim.
topics: criminal justice / religion .
this may have been discussed before, but this article just now popped up in my online search for "jw news": .
man at jehovah's witness facility died of natural causes.
does it not seem really, really strange that he would not have been missed all day saturday and sunday?
He had a cold, had some cold medicine, nobody stopped by to see how he was or bring soup for a couple days despite living on site......and he dies at 41.
Tragedy for the family.
remember there was a talk about not listening to "false stories" about sexual abuse from apostates on jw's fantasy station?
did the governing body put it out there as preemptive damage control because they knew this was coming?
they must have had subpoenas giving them a heads up.
And what should you do if you find slanderous news about Jehovah’s organization on the Internet? Such material should be firmly rejected. Some feel that they must bring it to the attention of others to get their opinion, but all that does is propagate the malicious information. If we feel troubled about something we see on the Internet, we should ask Jehovah for wisdom and speak to mature brothers about it. (Jas. 1:5, 6; Jude 22, 23) Jesus, who was the object of false accusations, warned his followers that enemies would persecute them and “lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against [them].” (Matt. 5:11; 11:19; John 10:19-21) We need to use “thinking ability” and “discernment” to identify “the man speaking perverse things” and those “whose entire course is devious.”—Prov. 2:10-16.
it took six years and three trials before a senior official in the jehovah's witness church was jailed for sexually abusing his daughter.. the only support the jehovah's witnesses gave the woman was to tell her to" put her tears in a skin bottle".. .
source: http://goo.gl/pjgy7p.
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